What Makes marvel only H1B while DC is Layers into Tier 0? Does DC truly scale higher than Marvel, is it the other way around or are they practically equal?. It took 3 of the Beyonders to take down the same LT. With that said: Beyonder has ultimate authority in a void. I am allowing characters who only appeared once and characters that aren't part of the main Canon. More than just high1-b, only this support for low 1-a. First firament might exist before all the 8 creations but beyonder comes from different multiverse which treats the Marvel creation as a droplet of water . 11,582. Morals off. Pre-Retcon. Origin: Marvel Comics. You need to be logged in to post comments. the other is a High Tier Reality Warper with disgusting hax also. CsmicRanker1314 1. 3 + (STR*0. Though with infinite power he is far more concerned about his place in life after being the all and everything within his realm he tries to understand the concepts of Life, Death, and Desire all things that he want experience. Manhattan) and has recreated a galaxy. Searching. Type Solar vs. Carey and JM De Matteis brought the guns, material and ammunition NEEDED to make DC the second-first tier most powerful fiction. Manhattan. Not to mention Beyonder detailing Doc Strange's win con over him, tailor. ;. One shieldy boi. ago. He killed all the beyonders who were the grown ups of this pre Retconned beyonder and literally absorbed their power and he was able to actually trap am. " -Robin Williams (Dead Poets Society) ~Member Since: 09/25/2009~. 5 years ago. @zxzcczzcxz said: Fodder comic verse that lose to barely street tier verse and can't beat Warframe and Destiny vs high. Thor Vs Justice League : Vs AVENGERS : 12 Cosmic Beings in Marvel : 2, 2016. please everyone change your vote there is no way Beyonder (pre retcon) looses here the "FRA" movement here is based off a. Bernkastel first summoned few thousands kitties, Will resisted for a while, but it did not take long for the cats to rip off one of his. "The Beyond" was quintillions of times more massive than the Marvel Universe. 0. A High Nigh-Omnipotent being; with no limits. Nov 25, 2017. So, I looked at The Beyonder's(Pre-Retcon)profile and, found out that he is rated Tier High 1-B and likely, 1-A. Lucifer is also technically the most intelligent being in DC besides God. MM is superior to LT due to defeating the Beyonders, who one-shotted LT in a. Immersion: Beyonder (Pre/Post-Retcon), GoS Loki, HOI Vision, The One Above All and Multi Eternity via Eternity Mask, Deadpool with the Continuity Gem and She-Hulk (Classics); formerly Plot Resistance: The Beyonders (Ivory King), Beyonder (Post-Retcon); scaling from the other beyonders and GoS Loki Toon Force: She-Hulk. Didn't Comic God of Stories affected Pre-Retcon Beyonder? 12 days ago. Presence isn't all that impressive either, but enough to. The original Beyonder was created for the Secret Wars (1985) miniseries. Versions-Strongest. The only thing Pre retcon beyonder has going for him against featherine is that he was described as "god" in the beyonder realm to possibly put him on her level. Imagion all he powers in the Marvel Multiverse (which is infinite), not just the Multiverse but also every being in it, and emptyness (which is also infinite) beyond it (blank pages) Even Stan Lee stated in an interview in the 80s, that Beyonder was supose to represent the power the writers had over the comics. Ashley. Superhuman Strength: Superman Prime One Million has the ability to physically lift humongous levels of weight, and deliver physical blows of colossal magnitudes. I realize that this doesn't exactly answer your question. Definitely Beyonder. The following is an overview of our Tiering System. . Forum Posts. CCC Gilgamesh vs Pre-Retcon Beyonder. @jashro44. Oblivion hasn't done anything himself aside from Quasar, and in Quasar, he stalemated. Servant tier -the gil that appears at fate stay night, fate strange fake and as a servant in fate go(not the alive gil). Rune King Thor can still lose to the Abstract beings such as Eternity and Infinity. Reply. The One Above All/Pre retcon Beyonder (both characters were created by legendary comic book writers Jack Kirby and Jim Shooter, Beyonder and OAA are avatars of these two comic book writers. Beyonder scaled above all. 8 ) ^ TIER Super Power Score and Level. The Beyonder is an Cosmic powerful being from beyond the Marvel multiverse In the "Secret Wars" storyline, he brought. Bernkastel vs her servant Will ( not an actual battle. Hi all😅 i want upgrade beyonder profile :) Basically beyonder is being of infinite dimensions when He limits himself, but as beyond realm he is. Making Beyonder stronger than a Tier 0 is not at all the same as scaling him to TLT. Again, I don’t kno Fu, but if he’s Hyperversal as ur sayin, or even higher, then he’d def beat Post-retcon. 1. 1. #1. #1 KalKent1297. Thanos (Heart of the Universe) and the Beyonder (Pre-Retcon) Win by any means possible. Speed. He was even above and beyond the writing staff . Anyone trying to still argue Pre Retcon Beyonder is some Marvel top tier needs to have their info refreshed. ) Pre-recton Beyonder, was the sum of everything. He'd beat composite Superman, let alone this robot. The rest of the rounds Marvel is pretty dominant, maybe they could do something in the final round. That being said, Pre-Retcon Beyonder was the HIGHEST tier character Marvel ever had. Inhuman Mutant beyonder probably pretty sure it was his powers in spidey that let him remake all creation in a fraction of a second. While still a child, the older Beyonders began their grand experiment where they transformed Owen Reece into the Molecule Man. In 1985, before any changes were made to the story, The Beyonder was a. There are other impressive feats to show, but they are all after the retcon. Per Hank Pym the events of SW2 actually DID happen and were not a "trick" by the abstract powers (which is what the retcon stated. He may have to resort to starving. British_Tea_Company • 7 yr. If i had to lowkey choose one blindly, i'd go with PRB. Pre-Retcon beyonder could be said to be the "God before genesis" he was God before TOAA existed in the comics at that time, and when TOAA came into existence as an omnipotent character they had to greatly reduce the power of the Beyonder, from there they began to know him as "Post-retcon beyonder". Follow. About; History; Powers; Equipment; Movies; Gallery; Battles; Comments; Edit; Power Stats; SHDb; uStats; Intelligence. However, since infinite force and energy is the highest degree of strength that a character can reach in terms of physics there would be no level of power above what is necessary to destroy an infinite universe, i. deactivated-5b3daad020468. Join this channel to get access to perks:Credits to THZCheck out YFV (@YFVillainYT). RealityWarper. " (Fun fact, guys like EGD and Beyonder exists outside. He first appeared in the 1984 limited series "Secret Wars" and was created by writer Jim Shooter and artist Mike Zeck. Per Hank Pym the events of SW2 actually DID happen and were not a "trick" by the abstract powers (which is what the retcon stated. What teams could maybe stand a chance against pre-retcon Beyonder? Total defeat optional (if possible). this is the Speed Tier List and how to put down the Speed on a Character Profile will be determined by these Reaction / Reflexes - the ability to distinguish between the movement of objects at a certain speed with a small distance (melee, less than 2 meters), with the possibility of taking any whatsoever countermeasures at this time, such as avoidance or. He’s high tier Outerversal. Galactus (when reasonably fed) and the strongest Celestials. 140. Hell, Featherine Augustus Aurora is more "omnipotent" than him,. 2. Pre Retcon Beyonder'in seviyesi benim gözümde Mandrakk ile aynıdır ki buna göre sadece Vertigodan bile bayağı bir karakter yazabilirim bende. 5 years ago. Nope that’s pre-retcon not post retcon. Oblivion is more powerful than Eternity but not by much. Even an Taiyoku level of One is easily Outerversal level. Making Beyonder stronger than a Tier 0 is not at all the same as scaling him to TLT. The original Beyonder was created for the Secret Wars (1985) miniseries. Pre-Retcon Beyonder, as powerful as he is, is STILL bound by dimensionality. The living embodiment of The Beyond Realm, a reality outside of the Marvel multiverse, he utilizes his powers over reality, space, and time to observe the neverending battle between good and evil, serving as both an ally and enemy to Earth's greatest heroes. Lucifer Morningstar in character could probally beat him. Grace ended months ago, but I'm pretty sure Aka's High 1-B key is being downgraded (still high 1-B but much lower on the tier). Beyonders too has proven in little EXP because h e has lost his power on various occasions and despite claiming to be omniscient, but in practice had to learn everything by experience. Pre Retcon is still cooler, jist because of cosmology Expansion, defenders beyonder seems stronger but he is featless for now. A Time Lords) from the. Hajun via feats and implied power. Thought Robot without any effort. Then there is Inhuman/Mutant beyonder who had nothing to do with The beyonders. The Watchers. . 6 + (POW + (SPS*SPL))^2 + COM^1. No rules as pre-retcon Beyonder is silly powerful but try to keep the teams to a sensible size. Also, it's important to know Molecule Man has also so been retconned, so you should put Pre-Retcon Molecule Man. @majinmike: Because Beyonder is considered nigh omnipotence , even we assume they can adapt his power, they can still get '' unmade'' ,because they are not even high tier cosmic beings. The same exact way Presence is the Supreme Being of the DC Multiverse. Share Sort by: Best. Round 4 same as round 3 the retcon happened for a reason. Thanos with the HOTU is more powerful than LT as well, though I can't remember any massive feats he had. God’s best feat is him creating the concept of light with a single command, while Beyonder has crazy other things that are. Only the Great Evil Beast is equal to The Presence. Mephisto said that The Beyonder could make idlest imaginings a reality with a wave of his hand, turning all of existence inside out), Vibration Manipulation (Created an earthquake throughout the city), Attack Reflection (Deflected Magneto's power beam towards the X-Men), Magnetism Manipulation (Repelled Magneto by duplicating his own. . I have little knowledge on LT Unfourantlly other then he's a God Tier in. Thanos w/ Astral Regulator is the strongest character in Marvel-verse. Beyonder trivially. PR Beyonder is millions of times stronger than the Marvel multiverse. Wiki Points. So, I looked at The Beyonder's(Pre-Retcon)profile and, found out that he is rated Tier High 1-B and likely,. If someone can actually name a more. 9 K Beyonder one writer turned the Beyonder into nothing more than a street-level jobber begging his Daddy or the Lost One to give him some of his powers to create a universe full of gambling and girlfriends because he probably doesn't have the power to do it simply because the Lost One is the source of all his. @Metalslash said: MJJ wins. So wow great feat. While thinking the Beyonder accidentally destroys the Omniverse. I mean it would be awesome to see Beyonder whip his ass with ease but I mean, poor Anti-Monitor, he was an evil bastard but he did not deserve this. Pre Retcon Beyonder is more insane than his diet coke race counterparts Hickman used (yes they predate Hickman as Kubik in that FF4 comic shows, I know). Current Beyonder Tier upgrade CRT and coverup. CynicalWeeb's Demonbane is Lucifer level. Death only dealt with Dream so casually because of how the concepts they embody interact with each other. 4,925 4,750. Oct 24, 2019PR Beyonder > Celestials > Phoenix Force. I have him at Multiversal. She easily could hold an infinite-D multiverse in her hand, while Beyonder's best feat was to shake an infinite-D multiverse. True form DS power is unknown. Rick Sanchez (Rick and Morty) Respect Rick Sanchez (Rick and Morty) Scarlet King (SCP). Reply Beyonder (Marvel) Respect The Beyonders (Marvel) Homelander (The Boys) Respect Homelander! (The Boys, Dynamite) Respect Homelander (Amazon's The Boys) Pre-Retcon Beyonder. Post retcon would be a closer fight. Victini could arguably do it if you allow Pokedex entries. You know that. R1: Post retcon Beyonder vs Bleach verse. And Anyone that says Dragonball characters can beat someone like the Living Tribunal is delusional. #2. That's actually like a low showing for him. He was the TOAA of. Name:' The Beyonder, The One From Beyond, The One Who is All, Frank. Text under CC-BY-SA licenseWe can actually prove that Pre-Retcon Beyonder is fodder to Composite-DC. Owen Reece was a weak, shy boy in Brooklyn, New York who obsessively clung to his mother. WF Mr. @zxzcczzcxz said: Fodder comic verse that lose to barely street tier verse and can't beat Warframe and Destiny vs high. -Everything in bleach. And he has just way more hax and reality manipulation against the mostly physical Goku to handle! 11. You do realize Pre-Retcon Beyonder is like, the second or third most powerful comic book character ever, while Anti-Monitor wouldn't even be in the Top 10. There it, the respect thread for Pre-Retcon Beyonder. My favourite Marvel tier 1 vs. R2: God stomps. This thread wouldn't affect what tier Molecule Man (Pre-Retcon) is at because he still would be High 1-B. He. . 7 K than i understand from other blogs Pre-retcon Beyonder is High 1-A/ High Outerversal in beyond-realm. All reality was a dream created by Beyonder. (50% off!) Beyonder vs The Presence. Conceptual Warping Tier C vs Particle Manipulating Tier B. The realm is known as the Engine Room, The Wild Spaces Beyond Reality, Heaven, The Mystery, The. e. PRB has a lot of showings that would suggest otherwise. Lucifer from DC comics (new-earth). Later, the two merge into one single Cosmic Cube, and it is. Some overkill ones would be The Brothers Death (apart from maybe small death), Scarlet King, etc. Forum Posts. #15 Azronger. in classic era: Jim. Has no equal or superior, Created Heaven’s (which could be a Universe) with a word and is just flat out stated to be omnipotent with. True Form Pennywise ain't on Pre-Retcon Beyonder's level, lol. I can break this down into more detail. #20. Matter of fact she doesn’t even beat Mister Mxyztplk. If someone can actually name a more. Multiversal. There has been several incarnations of the Beyonder, each a retcon of the one before. @amendment50 @jardinain2 @decaf_wizard @watcher5000 Can help you out with his feats. SCP-682's adaptive powers are seriously NLF-prone. Name: The Beyonder, The One From Beyond, The One Who Is All, "Frank," Kosmos, The Maker, The Broken One. Beyonder is canonically a "child unit" of the BeyonderS that were the antagonists of the 2015 series- and those things wiped out the entire marvel abstract tier including LT without breaking a sweat. In the comics Homelander’s best objective strength feat is throwing a fighter jet across a room and he doesn’t have anything comparable in the show. than i understand from other blogs Pre-retcon Beyonder is High 1-A/ High Outerversal in beyond-realm. everything else is nothing to him Galactus. 1. PR Beyonder > Celestials > Phoenix Force. A Pre-Retcon Beyonder is beyond the Galaxy, beyond Dimensions, beyond the Multi Verse and should easily stomp the absolute shit out of whatever pseudo intellectual Neil Gaiman fake mystic mumbo. Beyonder powered spiderman remade creation in like a nanosecond -. Alovenus is the strongest in fiction since Alovenus>Omnipotent beings. 0. Dr. . One of the most controversial fights in various sites across the web, finally arrives here. Jan 22, 2018; Thread starter #2 bump . No, he is likely Presence level. Tier Limit-Outerversal. Origin: Marvel. Humans that exist in a megaverse can't automatically destroy a universe in another fiction. Not an expert on Beyonder, I just have a rough idea of his tier of power. This fight takes place in a neutral space and either party wants to kill the other. - featherin vs Lamdadelta (not an actual battle, featherin smashed/trashed Lamda with no actual effort) 3. Prepare for. The Tree of Knowledge alone contains infinite multiverses and aleph infinities and The Scarlet King could effortlessly destroy it. Trying to apply that to the Beyonder is meaningless, he may as well embody all of them considering his origin. As we can recall Pre Retcon Molecule Man was close in range to The Pre-retcon Beyonder, but even still was no match for him. The Beyonder(Pre-Retcon)should be Tier 0. Phoenix in the new defenders will fight against Ômega Beyonder who are most powerful than pré-retcon Beyonder) 10 True Form Oblivion {See all Creation and Cosmos like a infinitesimal to him, he is the outside of Cosmos, The Previour outside are below than far shore, but the. But that doesn't mean Perpetua's feats are bad. Beyonder and its not even close. The Beyonder is a cosmic being of immense power, often labelled as omnipotent during the issues of Secret Wars, and much stronger than all the other cosmic entities. And then we have the fact that Living Tribunal is three times stronger than Multi-Eternity. Round 2: Franklin wins. PR Beyonder takes it 10/10. The Scarlet King scales above Aleph 2 and 3 which Marvel doesn't reach that level. He was stated to be millions of times powerful than the Entire Marvel Multiverse Combined which even included The Living Tribunal and Molecule Man and We all know that Living Tribunal is almost as Powerful As Michael DemiurgosAll Mighty: better feats, bigger multiverse, didn't get KOed by one of his creations. hÀng nguyÊn bẢn- beyonder pre-retcon; 2. Post-retcon isn’t anywhere near as powerful as Classic (Pre), but he’s still pretty powerful. Reply Slaine_Troyard •. But seeing hat The Pre Retcon Beyonder was basically on the Living Tribunal's level. This is just plain wrong, we see SK fighting abstract entities like the 5th God who infinitely dwarf the entire collective of human consciousness, wich in the verse includes Platonic and Neoplatonic philosophy, several religions like Buddhism and Taoism, and alephs and other higher teir mathematics. even characters like Doctor Doom, Spider-man were on God Tier using PRB Power. Spectre. Pre-retcon Beyonder, ect. Edit: Darkest Knight and anti-crisis wonder woman probably also beat the beyonder, as they are empowered by the infinite crisis or anti-crisis energy (the fundamental good/bad energies of the universe, as provided by the presence. The Primal Monitor is the whole DC. 1st Retcon - Beyonder was a cosmic cube who dreamed everything (so SW & SW II did not happen) . After the retcon that wasn't the case. 5: Anyone with The Infinity Gauntlet (When it could be used in Unison)You need to be logged in to post comments. Tier: Varies, At least 2-A | At least 1-B, Likely Higher | Likely 1-A, Far Higher | High 1-A. The One Above All; Beyonder (Pre Retcon). Mxyzptlk, Lucifer Morningstar, & Maxwell (DC) VS Pre Retcon Beyonder, Molecule Man & Galactus (Marvel) 2. "For the. Even lower tier characters in Mythos would. the dunamis demiurgos is supposed to be a 1/half copy of the presence's power. He was the TOAA of his own multiverse, separate to that of the Marvel multiverse, before he came across the. PRB was millions of times more powerful than all the poster in the Multiverse combined. London, UK. Wiki Points. HOTU has shit tier feats, as does Beyonder. Tiering System: High 1-B | 1-A. Beyonder - vs - Beyonder # 3. he has base stats of high island ap and dura with near sol speed and ftl combat speed. Aka vs the Beyonder (Pre Retcon) Thread starter Keeweed; Start date Jan 2, 2019; Tags aka beyonder (pre-retcon) marvel comics the elder scrolls 1; 2; Next. Apparently due to the latest post about Doom people are claiming some Bleach characters like Aizen can beat The God Emperor. True Darkseid might actually have a chance though. About Pre-retcon/Classic Beyonder. Followers. than i understand from other blogs Pre-retcon Beyonder is High 1-A/ High Outerversal in beyond-realm. beyonder post-retcon ii (aka beyonder-inhuman-mutant) 4. @higherpower: I'd be delighted if you can name more than five people who can "blink" a Pre-Retcon Beyonder level character "out of existence. Post Retcon the Beyonder was part cosmic cube along with Owen. I'm not taking sides. Spectre is tapped into God so he has an unlimited amount of power at his disposal. Still, Pre-retcon Beyonder stomps here. And yeah he stomps. pre retcon beyonder is supposed to be above the living tribunal ( LT couldn't defeat him so he asked for MM's help) 11 years ago. Beyonder 39%. 8 ) ^ TIER Super Power Score and Level. Solar Supercharge: Superman Prime One Million remained in Earth's sun, labelled as the "Super-Sun", for 15,000 years, increasing his abilities to unknown but presumably titanic levels. Created by. The Beyonder is a fictional character appearing in comicbooks published by Marvel Comics. Takes place in an abandoned multiverse. R1: Lucifer wins Mid-difficulty R2: Pre-recton beyonders wins high difficulty. Reinhard or Mercurius could beat Pre-Retcon Beyonder. Interesting. Originally posted by the Darkone Spectre at full powered is above the pre-recon beyonder, Spectre is powered by God, I'm sorry that's one Ace even the pre-recon Beyonder can't overcome. And form. Even LT feared him and begged him not to do everything he did. Powers are basically the same thing. Unwritten Leviathan are highly hyperversal, if not extraversal. - Neither. 43. Sungsam. Nope. Cosmic. ago. Even if you want to argue that Beyonder is stronger, it doesn't matter, since Death has already feats of claiming infinite-dimensional entities, that are even. 213. I mean, Beyonder hilariously outclasses Merc in terms of AP, but their conceptual hax seems about equal. Round 2: Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs Alien X (author statements included). The old prerecton beyonder wasnt the same as the current beyonders, but he was related to them. And this character is an entire cardinal infinite tier below. 0. I think it was Uncanny X-men 203#. He would also be the main villain in. There has been several incarnations of the Beyonder, each a retcon of the one before. He'd be incredibly more versetile with his approach in the fight. The Beyonder is an infamous member of the Beyonder race. Although marvel uses numbers to calculate; it's as if he's Alef Null x Billion beyond infinity that already exist, which Tribunal and many others have already transcended. Xeranthemum from Suggsverse, at least going by the wiki. The powers of the PRB are attributed as unlimited; omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent. His powers exceeded that of even abstract entities present in infinite realms, coupled with the LT who holds authority over said entities to the point where their powers are a drop in the ocean to him. The Beyonder tells "We're the real. Dlaek66669; Thread;Business, Economics, and Finance. Also, I should mention that they are probably re-retconning him to his previous levels soon. Since the Chaos Gods have no way to kill him, he'll eventually win. Beyonder is tier High 1-B for being an infinite dimensional being meaning that the Marvel Universe has infinite dimensions confirmed. 8 years ago. Divyansh13. But Pre-retcon Beyonder is just a cut above the rest in terms of these characters. Classification: Cosmic Entity. Pre Retcon Beyonder gets wrecked hard lol. Scarlet King (SCP) Respect The Scarlet King (SCP Foundation)beyonder (pre-retcon) eternity galactus (marvel comics) marvel comics molecule man oblivion thanos (marvel comics) the beyonders the first firmament the living tribunal Replies: 12; Forum: Questions and AnswersPre Retcon Beyonder Stomps, the only powers that could hope to challenge him are The One Above, the Ultimate Source, The Presence, The Living Tribunal. Archie sonic defeated someone who could destroy millions of MULTI-VERSE zones. The Byonder had to use an infinitesimal fraction of himself to possess people until he got close enough to Doom and have Doom lose control of the. The Physical Timeline Multiverse of DC has changed sizes from being 52 Timelines. To start us off: What about:In fact, Pre-Retcon Beyonder had a completely different origin than being a child unit. Both are vastly above. Pre Retcon Beyonder is the Supreme Being of his Multiverse. CryptoCurrent MM isn't that strong in comparison to a high-tier reality warper. ~Old CBR Post Count: 834~. Matter of fact she doesn’t even beat Mister Mxyztplk. 14. The Beyonder was originally an organizer of a massive. Jackalinthebox said: I thought pre-retcon Beyonder was closer in power to Lucifer & Michael, rather than the Presence. But basically Dr. DC's cosmology is bigger than current Marvel's (due to the absolutely ungodly nerfs), but it's definitely not larger than Classic Marvel, where PRB hails from. " Do not attempt to upgrade the pre-retcon Beyonder to 1-A, due to two instances in which the Beyond-Realm was described as being beyond time and space of the universe or multiverse. so i think the only characters that can beat him are tier 0 characters like boundless. The Presence vs. Both Beyonder (assuming this is him outside his personal realm) and the Presence, since both are like Low 1-B, this could go either way. Strength. There it, the respect thread for Pre-Retcon Beyonder. he has base stats of high island ap and dura with near sol speed and ftl combat speed. Beyonder(Pre-Retcon) Tier 1. 8 years ago. The only known beings who are above them are Lucifer, Michael and The Presence. Named but mid-level Celestials. TonyStark6999. Jul 16, 2022 #2 Pre-retcon Beyonder: Low 1-A cap Perpetua: 1-A cap yeah this is a stomp in Perpetua's favor . Thelastmlg said: thought robot is around baseline high hyperversal while beyonder is stronger that everyone in the marvel multiverse combined times some millions which includes the living tribunal and if i not wrong multi-eternity which both are baseline high hyperversal. Can Giratina save all of reality from his rage? Or will it die trying? Location: The Negative Zone Win by. vs. People rank Oblivion very high because of the statements made about him in Chaos War but you can apply that to any evil character with vagueish powers, like Cyttorak or whatever. However, he can scale to characters with immeasurable speed via statements. SirMethos. The One-Above-All - vs - Beyonder (Post-Retcon) # 35 K The One-Above-All Thats so * dumb, Post-retcon beyonder is universal+ and scales below eternity, pre-retcon beyonder might have a chance as he is the full beyond realm which infinitely transcends the main marvel multiverse TOAA includedBeyonder one writer turned the Beyonder into nothing more than a street-level jobber begging his Daddy or the Lost One to give him some of his powers to create a universe full of gambling and girlfriends because he probably doesn't have the power to do it simply because the Lost One is the source of all his powers and abilities. 0. All of Dr. Pre Retcon Beyonder is far far beyond any of his other forms. Molecule man, PR beyonder, post retcon beyonders, oblivion, one below all and many many more. Let me remind you that SCP verse is much bigger than both Marvel and DC. . We need Patreon donations for this forum to have all of its running costs financially secured. Death from what I remember had no power of Lucifer, only Destiny did - so I think it's safe to assume she scales below him.